Search Posts:

Negibus or Posibus?

View Entire Thread

Return to Threads

SHARE
  by Bill Degnan - 01/17/2023 15:29
I am working to understand this TU56 as it came from an unknown environment. The apparent peripheral connecting cable (a W850 C (~1966)) that came with the TU56 reads "PDP9" on one end and "TC02 E&F" on the other. I wondered if this cable is actually associated with the TU56 or just sitting in the same box before the TU56 came to me.
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/TU56/TU56_PDP9-connector.png
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/TU56/TU56_backplane-cards.png


Research/sources:

https://gunkies.org/wiki/TU56_DECtape_Transport

On this page, one can see photos of the backplane. Note how a TU56 could have had a M531 or a G742 installed to serve as a bus converter. THe M531 is for buses with negative logic controllers and the G742 is for when one has a positive logic controller.

Jumping a few steps ahead in thought, if the TU56 was attached to a PDP-9, would you expect the TU56 to have a G742 or M531? This would help prove whether the TU56 was indeed used with a PDP-9. Note that newer PDP8 and PDP11's were positive bus.

I found a good general description of how the negative / positive relates to the PDP-8 and how peripherals fit into the picture.
https://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~dwjones/pdp8/models/

"The "negibus" or negative logic I/O bus used -3 and 0 volt logic levels in 92 ohm coaxial cable" - a M531 would be used if attaching to a computer with a negative bus. A G742 indicates the computer using the TU56 had some form of positive logic bus.
The positive I/O bus, or posibus, was a 100 ohm bus clamped between 0 and 3 volts with TTL drivers and receivers.

Does this mean, no this TU56 would not be compatible with a PDP9?

Not so fast! - The W850 C (~1966) cable that connects the TU56 to the external peripheral possibly appears to convert the posibus to a negibus as described in the above uiowa.edu link. So, I am thinking the presence of a G742 does not alone indicate the computer using the TU56 must have a positive logic bus. It might simply be that someone tried to attach a "new at the time" TU56 to an "old at the time" PDP-9, around 1976 and they needed to make due with whatever cables were available. It would have been easier to use a straight-through cable with a M531, but these were not available? Just a guess. Note the 18 connectors are present:
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/digital/TU56/TU56_PDP9-connector.png

PDP-9 and earlier PDP8's were negative logic computers. Thus a TU56 with a G742 would have needed the W850 C to make it compatible with a negative logic computer, the PDP-9 to operate correctly. I think.

Considering
1) We have a 18-wired jumper bus adapter (W850 C) on the other end of the TU56 positive bus that I believe would convert the signal to negative
2) THe "PDP9" printed on the adapter.
3) The other side of the cable reads "TC02 E&F" (I believe).

I know PDP-9's attached to TU55's, but when PDP-9's manuals were printed the TU56 was not yet invented. I did find that TU56's could be used with TC02 peripheral backplanes (such as an expansion box).

TU56 and TC02:
http://www.bitsavers.org...aintenance%20Manual.pdf
See page 22
(1) For a TU56M or TU56MH Transport: controller-to-transport information cable = 70-06412, transport-totransport (other TU56 or TU56H in system) information cable = 74-5152. See Note 2 for TU56M or TU56MH connected to a TD8/e Controller. (2) When a TU56M or TU56MH is connected to a TDa TD8/e Controller, only one 70-08447 cable is used for both commands and information. This cable has both a single-height and a double-height connector module on the termination end. Insert the single-height connector into slots A061 A07 and the double-height connector into slots AB 1 01 AB I I.

Reply

Resources:


Buy a Commodore Computer Poster

Popular Topics and FAQs


  • Commodore B Series Tips and Tricks
  • Aerocomp TRS 80 M 1 Expansion Unit DDC
  • Items Wanted
  • Lobo Max 80
  • Zenith Z-19-CN
  • Prototype PET 2001 photo
  • Using Toggle Switches to Analyze Memory
  • Commodore Disk Archive Project
  • PET 2001 Prototype at Gametronics 1977
  • Jim Butterfield Photo
  • IMSAI 8080 With Processor Tech. Cutter
  • Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny
  • Cromemco System Three
  • Northstar Horizon - Boot Problem
  • Computer History and Restoration Links
  • Commodore BX-256-80 - 8088 Co-processor
  • S-100 board testing with Z-80 ICE
  • Donner 3500 - an early portable computer
  • Digital (DEC) PDP 11/05 NC Assembly
  • Univac 1219 rescue
  • IMSAI 1.4 BASIC vs. MITS 8K BASIC
  • Fido BBS listing node list 6-13-1986
  • PDP 8e
  • MITS 88-2 SIO (2SIO) for BASIC
  • Visual Technology Inc Model 1050
  • Amiga 2500 Restoration
  • The Evolution Of IBM Computers
  • Replacement teletype print hammer head
  • Archiving and Copying Software 101
  • Computers Built 1940 - 1950
  • CBM B-520 (a.k.a B256-80 or B500 256)
  • RCA COSMAC Microkit
  • Commodore 64K C-116 Mods
  • MITS 8800b Turnmon 9600 baud
  • Catweasel, 8in and 5 1/4
  • Raspberry Pi as Gateway to Internet
  • Digital PDP11 late 1969 early 1970
  • PDP 11/40 72 inch cabinet model
  • PDP 11/40 Industrial 11 model
  • Digitial MicroVAX 3100 30 System
  • Digital VAX 4000-200
  • Commodore 64 / 1541 DRIVEKNOCK
  • Booting the System Using RL02 drive
  • PACS: Reflections by Kathleen Mauchly
  • Tele-Graphic Computer Systems Inc.
  • Commodore B Series SID Jukebox?
  • Installing Core into PDP 11/40
  • Setting Up OpenVMS 7.1 DNS CLERK
  • Felt-Tarrant Comptometer Model J
  • NextStation Color
  • Digital Rainbow (PC100-B2)
  • 1970 Compusad Compulogical Tutor
  • Archiving Papertapes Using DSI NC 2400
  • 1976 P.C.C. Features the MAI JOLT 6502
  • 1961 Beckman DEXTIR Computer
  • UNIVAC 1 and UNIVAC File Computer 1
  • Past Issues:


    Amstrad PCW8256 CPMdisks

    This image was selected at random from the archive. Click image for more photos and files from this set.